quick grip question

[tfranc]

Rip,

If you're doing SS LP and miss a deadlift due to grip during the working set of 5, does that mean you should try the weight again with a different grip like an alternate grip? Or, do you just treat it like an incomplete set and adjust the program accordingly?

Stats: M, 27yo, 6', 230, doing SS LP, have not reached advanced novice phase

2 deadlift sessions in a row, I have not completed the working sets due to grip. Both sessions have been at the same weight. I have been using double overhand with chalk. I am probably very close to needing advanced novice programming for the other lifts, probably the deadlift as whether failing because of grip counts or not. I'm 98% sure I would have made my working sets if it was not for grip.

PS. I may have posted a similar question to the "Programming" section of the forum. I honestly cannot remember. If I did and this is a double post, I sincerely apologize.

Thanks for your time

[Mark Rippetoe]

Are you using chalk?

[Joe Tandy]

Time to swap to a hook grip for work sets.

[JFord]

DL PR 230 1x5. Stalled at 235 due to grip issues (double overhand grip which I'm trying to maintain due to desire to strengthen grip significantly). Added surreptitiously administered chalk (my gym doesn't allow it). Bar went up easier than ever for 5 at 225. Anticipating an easy 230 tomorrow and hopefully onward and upward.

I felt so dirty adding the chalk:

A) because it made the bar go up so easy it felt like cheating.
B) because it felt naughty breaking my gym's rules.

I guess I'll have to work that out with my rabbi.

[Lawrie Abbott]

try liquid grip

[madmaxaus]

+1 for liquid chalk.

Even in commercial gyms I don't have issues using chalk, you just need to be prepared to clean up a bit after you use it. Grab one of the towels or wipes those gyms always have and give the bar and area a quick clean, much less likely to get noticed if you do that.

[Jacob R]

DL PR 230 1x5. Stalled at 235 due to grip issues (double overhand grip which I'm trying to maintain due to desire to strengthen grip significantly). Added surreptitiously administered chalk (my gym doesn't allow it). Bar went up easier than ever for 5 at 225. Anticipating an easy 230 tomorrow and hopefully onward and upward.

I find this interesting, simply because that is the exact same weight I had to start thinking about grip strength. (That is to say, this was also was the first weight that I missed one rep).

[tfranc]

I use chalk and a double overhand grip.

[hollismb]

I use chalk and a double overhand grip.

Watch the whole video, of course, but your question is answered from 4:50 to 6:05.

[tfranc]

Time to swap to a hook grip for work sets.

Ugh, always feels like my thumbs are going to explode when I use hook grip. Does that ever go away?

Watch the whole video, of course, but your question is answered from 4:50 to 6:05.

i appreciate you posting that for me. I was under the impression that Rip has suggested that the weights used at a Novice level were not heavy enough to need an alternate or hook grip, and that the lack of ability to use a regular, double overhand at the Novice level means that you just need to squeeze the bar harder. I cannot specifically reference from where I recieved that impression, but perhaps Rip could be kind enough to set me straight with that.