Leaning Back with Deadlift

[ndoud]

I had a conversation with someone about deadlifts, I want them to set up as SS3 4-12. She tells me she thinks about leaning back, and thus tells others to lean back when pulling from the floor. I think this is just her mental cue to drag a heavy bar up her shins and thighs? Is this a bad cue to give someone?
thanks

[Mark Rippetoe]

It's fine as long as it works. But the majority of people who use this cue will lower their hips and push the bar forward, since "leaning back" involves a more vertical back angle.

[OCG]

I use this cue, however, I think about pushing back, with my legs. It's important that you think about pushing with the legs to do this, thinking about keeping your torso upright will only lead to ruin, drunkenness, your wife leaving you and your dog dying. Again, it's a push back, not a lean. Leaning involves the torso angle, and we don't want to change that.

[Kregna]

This actually sounds like a good cue. I will have to try it!

[Mark Rippetoe]

Kregna, just think about squatting the weight off the floor with the bar in your hands. See how that works too.

[skipbeat]

I leaned back for my most recent set. I ripped my shins apart and bled everywhere, but it was the best feeling set of deadlifts yet!

[MattJ.D.]

Kregna, just think about squatting the weight off the floor with the bar in your hands. See how that works too.

Speaking of this, well not the technique but deadlfts general. I keep trying to do this same weight with my deadlifts, and everytime I get to the 4th rep I start to feel a sharp pain in an old back injury(outside to the left erector), and I just stop the set there because well it hurts, and I'm afraid to overextend myself. Whenever I have the pain in that spot I also have pain in the top of the knee on that side(specifically when sitting). This sounds like a herniated disc right? Should I just lower weight and work back up(which I've done already) or just work with light deads for a few weeks?

[Mark Rippetoe]

I was fucking with Kregna. He's a rugged individualist that doesn't believe everything I say about exercise, because he's no nutswinger. But he keeps posting here anyway, and sometimes he even makes sense. The deadlift is NOT a squat with the bar in the hands. And I don't know what the hell your post is trying to say.

I keep trying to do this same weight with my deadlifts

What weight are you talking about? You think that if you have a pain in both your back and your knee you have a herniated disc? If your back angle is too vertical when you pull, you just have a shitty deadlift.

[MattJ.D.]

410lbs, and yeah my post is rather random with the quote, sorry. I thought herniated disc because its either both or none, the disc was pressing up against a nerve. I was just curious on how to handle it because resetting and working back up obviously didn't work and neither did just to trying to lift my way through it. Its hurts pretty fucking bad for a few days afterwards(thankfully I have 2 days between that work out and next), and even picking up 225 is uncomfortable to the say the least.

[MattJ.D.]

More information, the injury first happened when I played football and was doing shitty squats with way too much weight, never got it looked at and just took pain relievers(mostly ibeprophen), but ever since then from time to time, something breaks down and the pain comes back(always when I was pushing too hard). It even affects my squats, when the pains there I'll feel it most when coming up out of the hole, causing me to be pretty conservative during the workout.

I'm 6ft and 220