Question on micronutrients

[Darkroman]

Assuming a lifter has his or her macronutrient ratios and calories in order, what micronutrients would one need to look out for still? What kind of supplementation, or vegetables to have a lot of?

[Jordan Feigenbaum]

Assuming a lifter has his or her macronutrient ratios and calories in order, what micronutrients would one need to look out for still? What kind of supplementation, or vegetables to have a lot of?

Is the lifter an omnivore?

[Darkroman]

Is the lifter an omnivore?

Yes.

[vanslix]

Assuming a lifter has his or her macronutrient ratios and calories in order, what micronutrients would one need to look out for still? What kind of supplementation, or vegetables to have a lot of?

Supplements, with the exception of prenatal vitamins or other specific medical conditions, have ZERO data supporting their use to promote health. In fact, in most large studies they hasten death. Listen to your grandmother and EAT your greens. Kale or cucumbers or apples don't come in pill forms.

[Robert NL]

Quality of diet imho is mostly

Micronutrients:Macronutrients

The higher this ratio the better.

Ones macros are in check finding the foods that deliver these with the highest ratio of micronutrients is the best you can do. Brown rice, broccoli and steak beats white rice, lettuce and chicken at the same macros because of a higher micronutrient density.

Just my undereducated 2 cents

[Jordan Feigenbaum]

Yes.

I dont think any supplements are required for health then.

Supplements, with the exception of prenatal vitamins or other specific medical conditions, have ZERO data supporting their use to promote health. In fact, in most large studies they hasten death. Listen to your grandmother and EAT your greens. Kale or cucumbers or apples don't come in pill forms.

Not that I think you actually meant "all supplements", I'd just clarify I would argue that protein, creatine, and vitamin d have the potential to promote health with vitamin d being the most tenuous.

Quality of diet imho is mostly

Micronutrients:Macronutrients

The higher this ratio the better.

Ones macros are in check finding the foods that deliver these with the highest ratio of micronutrients is the best you can do. Brown rice, broccoli and steak beats white rice, lettuce and chicken at the same macros because of a higher micronutrient density.

Just my undereducated 2 cents

I wouldn't disagree with this, in principle

[Rob Waskis]

with the exception of prenatal vitamins

What about vitamins for infants and toddlers?

Sorry for the thread hijack.

[Jordan Feigenbaum]

What about vitamins for infants and toddlers?

Sorry for the thread hijack.

I'd actually make a case that prenatal vitamins don't even really do anything- though this is controversial (along with pre natal care). For a child without existing pathology or enzyme deficiency? Nope.

[vanslix]

Not that I think you actually meant "all supplements", I'd just clarify I would argue that protein, creatine, and vitamin d have the potential to promote health with vitamin d being the most tenuous.

By the term micronutrients, I presumed, perhaps incorrectly, that the OP meant vitamins, minerals, and all the plant compounds we've just now begun to grasp like carotenoids, xanthophylls, flavonoids, organosulfurs, or even salicin which is a precursor to aspirin. People don't realize that the large majority of drugs are natural based compounds. So Hippocrates wasn't far off by saying let your food be your medicine.

[Jordan Feigenbaum]

Sure, but you said supplements ;-)

I agree that Hippocrates was onto something- hopefully the market agrees.