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    Is there a risk that moving to advanced novice too early will somehow result in a progress setback? My deads and upper body lifts are relatively low compared to squats and I want to balance the weight increases out, and also have a light squat day that doesn't kill me in the middle of the week to have more gas for press/bench and deads/cleans. Male, 24 years old, 160 pounds, 5'8''. Current squat, 220. Deadlift, 230. Bench, 125. Press, 95. Power clean, 110.

    Proposed 2 week cycle:
    M: squats, bench, deadlift
    W: light squats, press, power cleans
    F: squats, bench, deadlift

    M: squats, press, power cleans
    W: light squats, bench, deadlift
    F: squat, press, cleans.

    This keeps the dead/clean alternation because I haven't hit a wall with either yet. The only exercise I'm finding it difficult to recover from is squatting. Sleeping 8 hours, eating well, resting 5-8 minutes between sets. Of course the standard alcohol consumption of a 24 year old male but that's simply unavoidable.

    I don't care if progress occurs slower than if I stay on novice, I'm patient.

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    Video of your squat. It is probably high.

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    And macro breakdown for the previous three days, calculated to the gram. "I eat well" always raises red flags for me...

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    Squat's not high. Must be the "eating well" thing, and the guy calling you "bro."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brodie Butland View Post
    And macro breakdown for the previous three days, calculated to the gram. "I eat well" always raises red flags for me...
    I second this. At least a screenshot of a diary with his caloric intake for the day would be nice. Between him posting this thread and asking to switch to advanced novice prematurely (230 deadlift, really?) in a circumvented way and him using the words "eating well" and "160 pounds, 5'8", I have to call bullshit. Ironic, too, the name of the OP.

    Beefcake, your upper body lifts are only low in absolute terms. They're exactly where they would be for a 160 pounder who isn't doing the programme. In fact, your deadlift isn't even "low compared to squats" or whatever. You've been training for maybe 2 months; none of your lifts can be "low", you're just weak. Keep training for another 6 months and then come back to tell us your "lifts are disproportionate".

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefcake99 View Post
    Holy crap somebody posted a video when they were asked to do so by Rip! Fuck the food, this kid is already an "advanced" novice.

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    Gain 40 pounds and find a new training partner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefcake99 View Post
    Is there a risk that moving to advanced novice too early will somehow result in a progress setback? My deads and upper body lifts are relatively low compared to squats and I want to balance the weight increases out, and also have a light squat day that doesn't kill me in the middle of the week to have more gas for press/bench and deads/cleans. Male, 24 years old, 160 pounds, 5'8''. Current squat, 220. Deadlift, 230. Bench, 125. Press, 95. Power clean, 110.

    Proposed 2 week cycle:
    M: squats, bench, deadlift
    W: light squats, press, power cleans
    F: squats, bench, deadlift

    M: squats, press, power cleans
    W: light squats, bench, deadlift
    F: squat, press, cleans.

    This keeps the dead/clean alternation because I haven't hit a wall with either yet. The only exercise I'm finding it difficult to recover from is squatting. Sleeping 8 hours, eating well, resting 5-8 minutes between sets. Of course the standard alcohol consumption of a 24 year old male but that's simply unavoidable.

    I don't care if progress occurs slower than if I stay on novice, I'm patient.
    OP,
    You just need to eat more, gain 30-40 pounds while adding weight to the bar. This is not a programming issue, it is a lack of strength issue fueled by a lack of recovery fueled by a lack of food.

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