Amazing, how people maintain their Faith when confronted with the facts.
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Falsifying Data Is Rampant Across Industries
Coach,
I have been thinking hard about your comments on phenomenology and how it applies to research. This bombshell just popped up in the news. I think it confirms what we have been saying (and our gut instincts) that these guys are the bottom of the slime bucket. I'm beginning to wonder if phenomenology is the ONLY science that actually works. The implications of this are deeply disturbing and far reaching--and clearly demonstrate the validity of your approach to Strength Training.
Over 30,000 published studies could be wrong due to contaminated cells - ScienceAlert
If that isn't bad enough--it gets worse. This Kobe Steel story just broke a few days ago as well. They were falsifying data on steel, aluminum, and copper. I had to add them to my "banned" list of manufacturers with the note, "Don't send me Kobe steel or aluminum. I won't accept it any more." I never dreamed I'd ever say this about a Japanese supplier. I used to specifically ask for Japanese, American, English, Italian, and French steel...not any more. The list keeps getting smaller...
"Until now, the 112-year-old company had said products it sold with falsified data met safety and other standards but did not meet contract specifications agreed with customers."
I think we are going to officially start calling K factors "Kobe factors" in our design and manufacturing now.
Japan's Kobe Steel says violated statutory standards, losing customers | Reuters
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Amazing, how people maintain their Faith when confronted with the facts.
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I’d assert that many people not only maintain their faith but become further entrenched in it.Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe
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I love statements like "I'm beginning to wonder if phenomenology is the ONLY science that actually works" that are recorded and transmitted on machines of absolutely incredible complexity that have only been made possible by hundreds of scientific breakthroughs.
It baffles me that people can be surrounded every second of the day by machines, materials, devices, environments, energy, and information transmission systems that all only came about because of the scientific method and then go "see!! Someone found a science error! Science doesn't work!!" Is it because people don't understand how complex things are? You can't just "follow your intuition" to invent a car, or a a cell phone, or an air conditioning system, or an efficient steam cycle, or a nuclear reactor, or . . . jesus, the list is endless.
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Such machines were built based good science. Can you not grasp that there is a right and a wrong way to apply the scientific method?
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Science works if the scientists do it correctly. Hence the importance of reading the full study and others being able to repeat the results. That's how you separate good science from bad science.
I think it's a bit naive to suggest that we got to the moon and currently are sitting on several thousand missiles that can hit a target within 6 feet two continents away purely based on luck.
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Yeah, but the OP isn't constructively saying "hey watch out for bad science", he is pointing out an error and calling into question whether hard science works AT ALL. Science works, and saying that maybe it doesn't is ludicrous. And it works in large part because it's self correcting. Bad science will get overturned. Might take a little while, but a few years or even a few decades is a heck of a lot better than a competing "knowledge system" I can think of where 3000 year old bronze age myths that don't make sense continue to be believed literally.
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There is a difference between the proper application of the scientific method and scientism. There's a whole lot of the latter going on by people making comments like yours, that seem to have forgotten that the scientific method is nothing more than a tool, created and wielded by flawed creatures.
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Correct. These "flaws" are not mistakes, however, but deliberate, precisely because now people believe whatever non-sense "scientists" and the media spew.
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A couple of points:
1) Finding studies with problems is how science works. The studies of the 30,000 that still matter will most likely be replicated to see if the same conclusions can be reached and the results published as well.
2) Since the author of the article cites the number of studies affected rather than the percent affected we can infer that 30,000 is a more sensational number. The number of biomedical articles online is in the millions. Once the study itself is published we will know how widespread the issue is.
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