Press Check

[Subsistence]

So you're saying he said go back up to exactly the weight you are lifting before? He says they're not that bad and it wasn't worth posting the video



Fair point...

What? I posted two sets, a heavy one with rounding and a deloaded one without (which he said there was nothing problematic enough with to merit posting). He told me to work up from that deloaded set. I'd eventually hit and surpass the heavy set if all went well. This is identical to the advice spar gave.

[Kregna]

What? I posted two sets, a heavy one with rounding and a deloaded one without (which he said there was nothing problematic enough with to merit posting). He told me to work up from that deloaded set. I'd eventually hit and surpass the heavy set if all went well. This is identical to the advice spar gave.

Where did you see him say this? All I saw was 'go on up' and the deadlift wasn't bad enough to warrant posting the video (which implies it doesn't require de-loading)

[Subsistence]

Where did you see him say this? All I saw was 'go on up' and the deadlift wasn't bad enough to warrant posting the video (which implies it doesn't require de-loading)

It was on the deloaded video he told me to go on and up, and said it didn't warrant posting.

[Gunnhild Bruno]

Start of rep


End of rep

You know that, due to perspective, drawing a plumb line down from the grip isn't quite accurate, right?

If you do it correctly, it's not that far off from any of my diagrams.

So use your words to clarify--what are you trying to prove here?

[Kregna]

You know that, due to perspective, drawing a plumb line down from the grip isn't quite accurate, right?

If you do it correctly, it's not that far off from any of my diagrams.

So use your words to clarify--what are you trying to prove here?

What's the problem now? You asked me to draw you a picture and now it's back to complaining about camera angles. You used the same camera angles I did in your illustrations.

The start of the rep the bar is over the balls of the feet
The end of the rep the bar is much closer to the shins

What did you want me to do in the picture? Why did you ask me to draw them?

[JSK]

Kregna, I'm not sure why you still insist on arguing about starting bar position in original video. It seems you're more interested in picking fights with spar than offering any sort of meaningful help. Let it go.


One more video set. I backed off the weight another 5lb and tried to stay tighter and better control bar path all the way to the top. Also tried to time start of lift more closely with hip movement. Seems a little better to me than Tuesday's.

[Kregna]

I'll let it go because you made the thread but don't fucking say I'm just here to argue when it was her who picked at my point and asked last night for pictures which I've since put up

ciao.

[Subsistence]

Kregna, I'm not sure why you still insist on arguing about starting bar position in original video. It seems you're more interested in picking fights with spar than offering any sort of meaningful help. Let it go.


One more video set. I backed off the weight another 5lb and tried to stay tighter and better control bar path all the way to the top. Also tried to time start of lift more closely with hip movement. Seems a little better to me than Tuesday's.

Personally I think it looks pretty good. Though you could argue the bar does still start slightly forward of the midfoot and have to move back an inch or two (which was Kregna's point). I am not sure how much this matters but you bring the hips forward without at all bringing the torso back, so the system still looks slightly out of balance. Hence being forced to "press it back". I don't seem much pressing it forward at the start though.

One thing I would say is that you don't seem to get much kick out of the hips.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAXPJ3PfdyY

If you view this you can see Rip talk about pulling the hips back ("It's like a push press using hip extension instead of knee extension"). You set your hips, but leave them stationary for more or less the whole movement until lock out. Think of the body being a bow at the bottom to help fire the rep up.

[Gunnhild Bruno]

I agree with subsistence. It's an improvement over the original, but you're not laying back enough when you get the hips forward. Part of this is that you still allow yourself to get a little loose in the shoulders and upper back, i.e., drop the chest, before you drive up. Not as bad as the full-on torso crunch you originally had, but it's still throwing you off a bit and throttling some of the force from the hip movement.

Other than that, I would say that you just need more practice with the timing of the hips/layback. Maybe throw in some fairly light sets at the end of your workouts just to practice the timing and staying "long and proud", especially when you're mentally preparing for the drive up.

I have lots of issues with that sort of thing as well, because years of MA drilled it into me to relax the instant before producing a forceful motion. Lifting is usually the opposite--things need to be tight and stay tight, which can be a big mental challenge.

The lockout/shrug portion looks much better, BTW.

[JSK]

Thanks to both of you for the additional feedback, I'll continue to work on it.