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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Baker (KSC) View Post
    In this very general sense "dynamic" training just means "fast." So that could be anything from Olympic lifts, to box jumps, to med ball throws, to sprints, etc.

    More specifically we have Dynamic Effort sets which is a specific methodology of training the traditional barbell lifts with a speed emphasis (developed by Louie Simmons).

    So Jim's point was that he is in favor of training dynamically (in the general sense with things like jumps and throws) but was not necessarily in favor of the Dynamic Effort Method (a very specific method of barbell training).

    Rip's basic point was that none of it matters to the novice who is squatting 185.

    I can't clarify further.
    That's plenty. That's the bit I wasn't following. Thanks!

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    Wendler's comment about using jumps or throws before/between sets of squats and presses reminded me about George Hechter using power cleans to warm up for heavy deadlifts. This is a bit of an application difference from DE specific work.

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    I will add for the sake of discussion that Mike Tuchscherer has a couple of articles explaining his stance that he isn't terribly impressed with speed work as well. If I understand his thoughts correctly - dynamic sets work, but they might not be optimal. He even uses the example between the power clean and a dynamic deadlift that Rip has used (dynamic deadlifts are fast because you want them to be, power cleans are fast because they must be in order to rack on the shoulders).

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    Last edited by Mark Rippetoe; 01-29-2014 at 01:49 AM. Reason: Article 1 was to a website that does not like us. Fuck that website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Baker (KSC) View Post
    Rip - Dynamic Effort sets not valuable for a novice who has not yet developed an ability to exert much force through speed sets. Dynamic Effort sets very valuable tool as a means to accumulate volume for a late stage intermediate or advanced lifter.

    Jim - Dynamic effort sets may or may not be useful for lifters. Everybody can benefit from jump training (which is different from Dynamic Effort sets).

    I'm not trying to speak for either party. But perhaps that clarifies some.
    This is a bit of a derail but I always felt that Dr. Squat predated Louie and the DE with his Compensatory Acceleration Training. Their exact programming parameters and prescription may have varied (can't recall at the moment) but the concept of "lifting a non-maximal load with the greatest speed possible" doesn't seem to be solely or originally Louie's idea, yet he always got the credit for it.

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    You're right. Fred was, in fact, first, with compensatory acceleration. I wonder if it pisses him off that Louie got the credit?

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    All true. Power of the internet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    You're right. Fred was, in fact, first, with compensatory acceleration. I wonder if it pisses him off that Louie got the credit?
    I don't know Dr. Hatfield, but I doubt it, he does't seem the type. Besides, at his age and with his accomplishments he probably could give two f***s. But what do I know.

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    Damn, I wish there were an easy way to avoid splitting the discussion on these resources posts. I just found the discussion linked directly to the video and it addresses the questions I had, in depth. I'll post there for any further clarification.

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    ...and I should have included this link to the "other discussion" in my last post:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    You're right. Fred was, in fact, first, with compensatory acceleration. I wonder if it pisses him off that Louie got the credit?
    Im sure Fred has made enough money selling his glorified smith machine.

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