Milk it!

[progressiveman1]

Only if you could find a study population that had never tasted milk of either kind, because in the absence of this condition, the study would not be blind.

That condition wouldn't be necessary. Use an artificial flavoring in each of the drinks, like a strawberry flavor or something. The drinks will have the same taste and probably similar textures. See, a double-blind study can be done with milk.

I understand that you're asking me if I have controlled for other factors such as failure to do the program correctly, and the answer is yes, of course I have, because I am not a complete idiot. Those that will not do the program are not being considered when I make these remarks, because that would be too fucking obvious a hole in my analysis. The difference in the milk drinkers is that THEY GET BIGGER THAN THE ONES WHO WON'T DRINK THE FUCKING MILK. Please tell me that you understand this now.

The only reason why I don't believe that the trainees you are considering in your judgement have followed every aspect of your program correctly besides drinking milk is because drinking milk is probably the easiest part of your program. And even more importantly you are telling me they are eating a surplus of calories(usually at least 4,000 calories for younger trainees;it's 6,000 for me) and for some odd reason they won't obey your simple suggestion to add milk in their diet? I understand your assertions, but I'm having a hard time believing they followed every aspect of the program correctly besides the milk.

[Mark Rippetoe]

Well, okay there.

[fluxboy]

The only reason why I don't believe that the trainees you are considering in your judgement have followed every aspect of your program correctly besides drinking milk is because drinking milk is probably the easiest part of your program.

Actually, gotta disagree a little here.

As someone who followed the ol' squat/milk program years back ... the toughest part of the training, for me, was the sheer quantity of food I had to consume every day.

Particularly the milk. God, how I hated looking at the big gallon of milk every day, knowing I'd somehow have to consume it.

Those who have experience in the iron game training younguns can probably attest to this ... the most difficult part is getting the scrawny ass kids to consistently eat enough to make gains possible. And the more reluctant they are, the more likely they need to!

It's probably even more difficult now, given the age we live in. Afteral, what use is thirty years in the iron game if you haven't gotten a double blind study with raspberry flavored coconut milk to back your experiences?



That all said, I'm making fine gains simply eating a meat and cheese sandwich every hour or so. However, my circumstances are unique. If I were living an active lifestyle, I'd likely just chug a litre of milk between meals. Kind of a nuisance, not altogether pleasant, but it works. However, I'm not sure if Mark's approach is really going to be embraced by the new generation. Size and strength seem to be taking a back seat to the Calvin Klein / metrosexual industry.

It seems to be more fashionable to be a waif.

To each his own.

:shrug:

[Hiravaxis]

Anyway, milk is awesome. The only problem is that I keep running out.
Don't have a lot of fridge space and it used to be that 3L of milk would last a week or more!

[progressiveman1]

Just curious if you have ever examined the effects of someone drinking more than one gallon of milk a day; say two gallons. Did those people get better results than the one gallon trainees? Essentially at two gallons of milk the person's diet would consist solely of milk, which would be pretty awesome. I might try it just to see what happens.

[Mark Rippetoe]

But you would be shitting primarily cheese. Are you ready for this?

[Polynomial]

But you would be shitting primarily cheese. Are you ready for this?

You can probably sell it in France, you know.

[Mark Rippetoe]

They eat goose liver pate', so you're probably right.

[Stu Hughes]

Just curious if you have ever examined the effects of someone drinking more than one gallon of milk a day; say two gallons. Did those people get better results than the one gallon trainees? Essentially at two gallons of milk the person's diet would consist solely of milk, which would be pretty awesome. I might try it just to see what happens.

I think it'd be fairly obvious you can't get all your dietary requirements just from milk. I assume that unless you're over about 230lb your caloric intake isn't going to be so high that half of it can't be met by other food sources. A US gallon of whole milk has about 2460 calories - about half of a 5000 calorie diet? How many guys need to eat this much in a day?

[Mark Rippetoe]

Guys trying to get big.