COVID19 Factors We Should Consider/Current Events

[Mark Rippetoe]

Guns alone wont save or protect you because there are other issues at play.

No one said they would. But you'd rather have them anyway.

[Yngvi]

I'll give the benefit of the doubt and clarify:
Guns alone wont save or protect you because there are other issues at play. Whether that's a homestead or an individual or a war between nations. It's not a magical talisman. Conflicts, at any scale, from between individuals up to inter-species conflict are rarely won by the side that wants to be left alone. Retreating to smaller and smaller areas of territory is not the strategy of the side that is winning.

There has been a lot of discussion about "atomic individualization" and its relation to classical liberalism lately.
While it is true that any group adhering to classical liberalism in a multicultural society will be systematically destroyed by people and nations unwilling to abide by the same standards, classical liberalism is an advantage within mostly homogeneous, high-trust nations or groups of people.

That is the distinction; classical liberalism and libertarianism only works within nations, not between nations.
It requires people within society to abide by an implicit honor code and to mostly obey implicit rules.
People of varying ethnic, cultural, linguistic and religious backgrounds, no matter how hard they try, will not have the same innate understanding of the honor code necessary for libertarianism to work.

Within nations, classical liberalism prevents the virtue signalling, witch hunt bullshit we see with communists/leftists; the left eats the left...they can't let people make their own decisions.
Albeit, the people within a nation must be single-minded enough to have an inherent understanding of the codes of conduct necessary to organize themselves without explicitly being told how to do so.
Between peoples/nations, libertarianism only puts your group at a strategic disadvantage; eg. you open your borders to facilitate their invasion, while they systematically conquer your territory.

WIthin nations, libertarianism is necessary for the highest levels of scientific inquiry; allowing individuals to be different leads to innovation, progress, meritocracy and the celebration of success.
The accumulation of wealth, familial status and private property both for an individual and his multi-generational progeny creates an incentive structure that forms a strong nation.
However, when the individualism necessary for innovation is punished (tall poppy gets chopped down mindset) or the fruits of his labor or the society he built is promised to "the children of the world" or another race's welfare-brats, there is no longer any incentive for innovation or production; the nation will die.

Guns in the hands of isolated individuals practicing libertarianism in a multicultural society will not protect them or their children.
Guns in the hands of groups of people practicing libertariansim amongst themselves, but national geopolitics against other demographics (that may even coexist within the same city block) are extremely effective.

[smokeyjones]

Speaking of the raider / defender advantages.

Nearly a week in and Putin can't deal with 1000 non entrenched soldiers in his own nest.

It's a shame they'll all be martyred eventually but to get that far. Russia is a fucking joke.

[Subby]

There has been a lot of discussion about "atomic individualization" and its relation to classical liberalism lately.
While it is true that any group adhering to classical liberalism in a multicultural society will be systematically destroyed by people and nations unwilling to abide by the same standards, classical liberalism is an advantage within mostly homogeneous, high-trust nations or groups of people.

That is the distinction; classical liberalism and libertarianism only works within nations, not between nations.
It requires people within society to abide by an implicit honor code and to mostly obey implicit rules.
People of varying ethnic, cultural, linguistic and religious backgrounds, no matter how hard they try, will not have the same innate understanding of the honor code necessary for libertarianism to work.

Within nations, classical liberalism prevents the virtue signalling, witch hunt bullshit we see with communists/leftists; the left eats the left...they can't let people make their own decisions.
Albeit, the people within a nation must be single-minded enough to have an inherent understanding of the codes of conduct necessary to organize themselves without explicitly being told how to do so.
Between peoples/nations, libertarianism only puts your group at a strategic disadvantage; eg. you open your borders to facilitate their invasion, while they systematically conquer your territory.

WIthin nations, libertarianism is necessary for the highest levels of scientific inquiry; allowing individuals to be different leads to innovation, progress, meritocracy and the celebration of success.
The accumulation of wealth, familial status and private property both for an individual and his multi-generational progeny creates an incentive structure that forms a strong nation.
However, when the individualism necessary for innovation is punished (tall poppy gets chopped down mindset) or the fruits of his labor or the society he built is promised to "the children of the world" or another race's welfare-brats, there is no longer any incentive for innovation or production; the nation will die.

Guns in the hands of isolated individuals practicing libertarianism in a multicultural society will not protect them or their children.
Guns in the hands of groups of people practicing libertariansim amongst themselves, but national geopolitics against other demographics (that may even coexist within the same city block) are extremely effective.

There's no way to give points or likes on here and I have nothing to add to that.

Another day another child stabbed in the UK.

[David A. Rowe]

Speaking of the raider / defender advantages.

Nearly a week in and Putin can't deal with 1000 non entrenched soldiers in his own nest.

It's a shame they'll all be martyred eventually but to get that far. Russia is a fucking joke.

Legitimately curious: are you new to Russian warfare and response to terrorism or separatist attacks?

[David Roberts]

Russia is a fucking joke.

Says the guy who is comfortably out of artillery range! All the dead Ukrainians, and Russians for that matter, recognize that fighting and dying is not a joke. Both sides are deadly and their KIA and WIA counts continue to climb.

This is not the Russians first rodeo and the Ukrainians may have rushed into a baited field committing a historic blunder.

[smokeyjones]

Says the guy who is comfortably out of artillery range! All the dead Ukrainians, and Russians for that matter, recognize that fighting and dying is not a joke. Both sides are deadly and their KIA and WIA counts continue to climb.

This is not the Russians first rodeo and the Ukrainians may have rushed into a baited field committing a historic blunder.

The wine coming out of Russia right now is peak comedy. Thank you for adding to it."duhh this isn't embarrassing for Russia cause artillery is deadly"

Russia left 700+ hang gliders and one of their top airbases with token defenses to bait Russia in. Putin is a military mastermind!

Cope harder. They messed up big time. That's that.

[Jason Donaldson]

Smokey, are you familiar with the old saying about Russia's two best generals, Mud and Winter? It's proverbial how Russia has repeatedly given up men and land to resist incursion until seasonal weather and its effects strangle out the invading forces. I think that's what Mr. Rowe and Mr. Roberts were getting at. (cf. Napoleon and Hitler)

[smokeyjones]

Smokey, are you familiar with the old saying about Russia's two best generals, Mud and Winter? It's proverbial how Russia has repeatedly given up men and land to resist incursion until seasonal weather and its effects strangle out the invading forces. I think that's what Mr. Rowe and Mr. Roberts were getting at. (cf. Napoleon and Hitler)

You think they'll let Ukraine do as they please in Russia until the weather pushes them out?

I'm aware of the proverbs re attacking Russia in Winter.

I don't see how this extends to leaving a fully stocked air base with no drone defenses & sacrificing conveys of vehicles just for the sake of using up Ukranian ammunitions / slowing down their advance by a matter of hours.

Nuance is important. People who have been riding Putins d this whole time acting like this is business as usual / all going perfectly to plan is just. Not genuine to me.

[Yngvi]

Tell me the strategic value of Ukraine's 12.5 mile advance across the border into Russia.
What does it accomplish for them?
Why are they targeting civilians in Russia and not military infrastructure?
What threat does the maneuver pose to Russia?
Has it slowed their territorial losses or the loss of Ukrainian soldiers in some way?

What is the point?
Is it supposed to make it look as if the war in Ukraine is not as hopeless as everyone knows it is?