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i give up.
Originally Posted by confuzzl3don3
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sorry but could you really explain this to me?? it seems really contradictory...
i don't mean to be a stubborn idiot, it just doesn't seem right that Rippetoe says that one should be aiming to eat 200-500 cals over maintenance, and at the same time tells people to eat like 5-7k cals of food. I'm just confused unless everyone needs like 4.5k+ cals worth of food daily just to maintain their weight.
Please forgive my stupidity and enlighten me
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S'up, dude.
I know you're not trying to be an idiot, but I'll bet one of my many testicles that Mark does not mean for novices (which you are) to consume only 200-500 kcals over maintenance.
Horses for courses. An experienced powerlifter who's already gained 100 lbs over the past five years probably doesn't need an extra 2400 kcals via GOMAD; a 150-lb man who has yet to hit double bodyweight squat to legal depth does.
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Hmm ok i'll crank up the cals and hope 4 the best
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LOL I was going to just let this speak for itself, but was told that my message needed to be at least 10 characters.
Gary, you rock.
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hey confuzz, sorry for coming off like a jerk. don't mind me. i'm just a grumpy old fart who is bitter that he wasted his youth worrying about 'abs' instead of eating and getting strong. Now I'm trying to get strong at 39 when it would have been so much easier if i would have just done the right things at 19.
I just get frustrated when I see skinny young guys jeapardize their efforts to get big and strong by worryin about a little extra body fat.
Oh, and what Gary said. He's right as usual.
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No worries. I was the stubborn dumb ass
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Here's the thing... you look like you're about 170(ish)cm tall, and weighing in at about 70kgs if not less. You are SKINNY. Do you understand what skinny is?
You are squatting a weight that you cannot perform 5 decent reps on for 3 sets across.
You have two options:
1) continue squatting the weights like you are (form break down and not at a decent depth);
2) eat more food, eat more food and eat more food, then deload to a reasonable weight (say 60kgs) to get your form looking better for your 3x5, then rinse and repeat.
If you happen to perform option 2 correctly, by the time you get back to 85kgs you should blow straight through your 3 sets and be ready to hit 87.5kg the next workout. If performed correctly (i.e. squatting 3 times per week and adding 2.5kg to the bar each workout), you will hit 80kgs on the 3rd week and by the 4th week progressing past your own PR (85kgs).
Of course, this is all dependant on whether you actually EAT, and put this stupid idea of bodyfat out of your mind.
Could it be any simpler?
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170 cm and 70 kg. Yeah, he's skinny. But I'm 175 cm and 77 kg which translates to just about as skinny. So I won't hold that against him.
Confuzz, I reiterate that your last set is not supposed to look as easy as your first. Mine never do. So I'm not going to kick you in the teeth for struggling to get those last two. You did a good job maintaining form despite fatigue. I've done much worse and still managed to put about 100 lbs on my squat this year. Now I can do my old max for many, many reps and sets with absolutely perfect form. For training purposes remember that perfect is the enemy of good. I'm not saying to allow your squats to become good mornings; I am saying that your fifth set of squats with a heavy (for you) weight looked good enough.
You do, however, need to knock a few pounds off that press.
Why don't you post these vids for Mark to see? You can get sniped till Jesus comes back here or you can just present these for Mark and get a professional opinion at no cost.
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Gary,
I've seen your videos posted previously and while I agree you are also a skinny arse mofo, you are an incredibly strong one for your size and I seriously doubt that you don't eat enough calories to continue progressing with your squats and other lifts.
If you can honestly tell me that at 175cm and 77kg that you only consume 2000-2500cals/day then you are a freak of nature, because anyone who is squatting over 100+kgs on a regular basis (and wants to continue linear progression) NEEDS more than 2500cals per day just to get the job done.
I reiterate my point that he is not eating enough... I can't guarantee it, but I doubt he is even breaking 3000cals/day.
Just for fun, I suggest he tries it for 3-4 weeks (as a bare minimum) while he deloads and gets the weight back down a bit and just see what the results are like. Fuck, what's the worst that can happen? He gains a few cms around the waist and his squat goes up 10kgs? I know what I'd be trying...
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