New gym, westside?

[cannibal.horse]

I'm glad people are starting to think critically about westside. apart from their assistance set up/training x4 a week their methods are total voodoo.

[Tom Narvaez]

Please respond

lmfao, sorry that I missed this. I'll get a few links.

zmcdole: 1653@198
Training Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...23&p=907623063

koyongi: 859@123 (Women's WR holder)
Training Log: forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=121721531&p=907203933

hamburgertrain (Mike Hedlesky): 700+/500+/800+/2000+ @ 275
Training Log: forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=140828091
He's also got a new log here: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=146070673

dan_g_28: 480+ bench @ 220/242 (other lifts are good too, but I don't remember something like ~450+/~650+)
Training Log: forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=145609431

BrentWillisbgw: 2000 @ 308
Training Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...149961&page=23


There's probably more, too. Lots of Westside guys on BB.com powerlifting section.

[veryhrm]

an OT question for the youngsters: On BB.com (and sometimes on other random forums that searches lead me to) you see accounts with thousands of posts that are "Banned". At first i thought it was some sort of meme of people setting their title to "banned", but it looks like they're actually banned accounts.

Questions:
1) is there such a meme to set one's description to "Banned" because it's "cool" ?
2) why are these sites banning people who had been there for years ?

[Tom Narvaez]

1) Putting "Banned" under your user title gets you banned automatically, but, yeah, that used to be "cool". Then they started banning people. It is feasible that people with accounts from several years ago left their title as "banned" and never changed it if they are now inactive.
2) BB.com is a site with a HUGE commercial interest. If you post porn, say racist things, etc. you are hurting their business. That's reason enough to ban you. Also, BB.com, being much bigger than SS.com, and with it's own version of 4chan called the "Misc" actually on the site itself, the amount of trolls, and spam bots, is probably a hundred thousand times greater than what we deal with here. I might not even be exaggerating.

[cannibal.horse]

Not mentioned here is all the people on bb.com shitting the bed maxing out every week, not deadlifting and spending hundreds on bands, chains and reverse deluxe plyo swings.

[Eric K]

What do you guys think?

I don't think I'm in a sufficiently experienced position to make a good suggestion, but I have seen a similiar topic addressed by John Welbourne over at his site:

http://talktomejohnnie.com/crossfit-...om-cffb-to-pln

Hope that helps.

[Tom Narvaez]

Not mentioned here is all the people on bb.com shitting the bed maxing out every week, not deadlifting and spending hundreds on bands, chains and reverse deluxe plyo swings.

Plenty of people fuck up SS too. How many threads are started in Rip's Q&A with 18-25y/o males supposedly stalling at like ~225-250 squats? What a joke. I usually START males in that demographic around those weights.

Incompetent practitioners messing up a program doesn't make the program bad itself. The conjugate method can obviously work great for raw lifters as evidenced by some of the raw world record holders who use the program.

Or just continue to bash the program despite probably never even trying it. The bolded part shows you really don't even know what you're talking about.

[cannibal.horse]

Tom I've been lifting for a lot longer than you have and am significantly stronger than you at a lighter weight.

Theory on DE work has been debunked so many times it isn't funny. As has the use of bands/chains for raw lifters.

Raw intermediates (the vast majority of us) need to actually practise the lifts. Rotating them so you only deadlift and free squat once a blue moon doesn't allow that. The equipment required (bands, chains, different types of bars that allow you to rotate the ME work, GHR and reverse hypers for RE work) simply aren't available to the vast majority of trainees who train at commercial establishments and or at home.

Finally the presence of westside lifters in any raw fed are enormously under represented. Everyone knows that.

Also don't give me that shit that 'people who don't train with louie don't train westside' or 'westside is constantly evolving' - its standard texts are whats released by elitefts and the westside site and always has been.

Oh and Louie has all the integrity of a telemarketer as illustrated by the matt hoff incident, spf and the ultra deluxe plyo swing.

Have fun pulling under 600.

[Tom Narvaez]

a)Tom I've been lifting for a lot longer than you have
b)and am significantly stronger than you at a lighter weight.

Might be a correlation, eh?

I'll try not to be a douche right off the bat. What is your total and at what weight? I'm really not impressed by someone pulling 200kx6. My deadlift sucks, for now, but that is just about what I squat. I don't run the conjugate method so my pull is irrelevant to the program's effectiveness.

Theory on DE work has been debunked so many times it isn't funny. As has the use of bands/chains for raw lifters.

Bull-fucking-shit. Cite your sources. What study "debunked" this? I can get more than a dozen raw lifters in this thread who will claim otherwise.

Raw intermediates (the vast majority of us) need to actually practise the lifts. Rotating them so you only deadlift and free squat once a blue moon doesn't allow that. The equipment required (bands, chains, different types of bars that allow you to rotate the ME work, GHR and reverse hypers for RE work) simply aren't available to the vast majority of trainees who train at commercial establishments and or at home.

Finally the presence of westside lifters in any raw fed are enormously under represented. Everyone knows that.

Also don't give me that shit that 'people who don't train with louie don't train westside' or 'westside is constantly evolving' - its standard texts are whats released by elitefts and the westside site and always has been.

Like I said, you don't know what the congujate method actually is. You can't just copy what the geared guys are doing as a raw lifter. Things are different. Ask Mike Hedlesky in his log, on his youtube channel, or on his blog. He'll tell you the same thing.

Oh and Louie has all the integrity of a telemarketer as illustrated by the matt hoff incident, spf and the ultra deluxe plyo swing.

I don't like Louie, either.

Have fun pulling under 600.

Mike uses the congujate method. u mad, bro?

Come at my lifts some more. I want you to.

[JohnRoman]

Theory on DE work has been debunked so many times it isn't funny. As has the use of bands/chains for raw lifters.

I'd like to see the info that backs that up also. I'm sorry but I disagree with all of this. I think they work and it is beneficial to SUPPLEMENT your program with DE &/or bands/chains.

Finally the presence of westside lifters in any raw fed are enormously under represented. Everyone knows that.

If I trained all of the time multi-ply and I use a technique that takes maximal advantage why would you want to change. Agreed, multi-ply adds significant pounds to the lift but you can see plenty of multi-ply guys lift raw also. They are still very strong! It's not like they squat 1000# multi-ply and then go to raw fed and suck because they can't squat more than 400#.

Oh and Louie has all the integrity of a telemarketer as illustrated by the matt hoff incident, spf and the ultra deluxe plyo swing.

I'm not a Louie, Westside, etc. fan or a hater. But if the man can offer up training alternatives that may increase gains, why not give him a listen or even try some, or all, of it? However, he should and he (often or always?) does cite his sources. He gets a lot of stuff from outside of the US.