How to scientifically argue against Smith machine?

[Les Hahn]

Heh, I was thinking the same thing when Rip said that. :-)

[alagon]

Derek Poundstone knows how to properly use a smith machine. Watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb5JrdSlc2E

[Mark Rippetoe]

I agree that this is a better use of the equipment, but you call these "proper" reps?

[alagon]

I agree that this is a better use of the equipment, but you call these "proper" reps?

I counted 4 pull-ups. The rest were partial. I think we can cut him some slack since he can deadlift 800 lbs for 10 reps.

[quikky]

Are you trying to inflame the Turks and the pussies this time? The Turk was entertaining, but nobody likes an inflamed pussy.

Hah, this actually made me laugh out loud.

[Giri Kotte]

I mean, are you imprisoned in this facility? Can you not find a real gym to train in? The smith machine's shortcomings are so blatantly obvious that you're not finding much willingness to rehash the topic. The real question is: how important is your training to YOU?

Rip, I did visit many gyms. The problem is that even the most expensive ones have endless lines of uber-sophisticated treadmills/isolation machines but no power racks what so ever. And sadly, not one coach I met understands the importance of squats. Everyone of them presents a five day split workout plan that has one day reserved for biceps/triceps and (thankfully) one day reserved for "legs workout".
Anyway, take away from this discussion is that the scientific data to conclusively prove the ergonomic deficiencies of a Smith machine doesn't exist (yet).
It's the start of a new financial year and I will start persuading the management again!

Yeah, I would find a new gym if you can.

Not that this is scientific, but I actually hurt my shoulder years ago on a smith machine while benching. Since it is set in a track, the bottom part of the lift must have put my shoulder in a ackward position. I had nagging shoulder pain for years after that. And since I started lifting for real (2 years now), it is getting a little worse. I'm kind of pissed I used that thing.

Imagine the horror when I see people do upright rows on a Smith machine