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    Quote Originally Posted by IlPrincipeBrutto View Post
    Jenni,

    allow me to be pendatic:

    "I disagree. 54% of the people who had an opinion wanted to split."

    This implies that the people who did not vote didn't have an opinion.
    Which also means:


    "There's no evidence to support the assertion that the 40% of non voters didn't want the split."

    They didn't have an opinion to start with (see above). Which also means there is no evidence to support the assertion contrary to yours.

    The only evidence is the votes cast, and they represent a minority of the voters. I think it's fair to debate about whether this represents democracy, or a degeneration of it.

    IPB
    A 40% turnout for a non federal election is outstanding. People definitely cared. Now if you want to discuss why the other 60% sat on their ass and how that is a problem, I think that is a different conversation.

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    Never forget what they did to us.

    While they locked the elderly in nursing homes and hospitals, refusing to allow family and friends to visit, they called us grandma killers for not masking or taking the shot.

    Also, Big Gretch's forehead is looking shinier than usual, reminds me of the Terminator's face after getting burned up.

    Oh yeah, FAS and FGW too.

    https://youtu.be/hBlMzlp_ZgI?si=6gUhYrVtQ3ereyaB

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    "We were there first and foremost for our country of israel." -frat boy counter protester at UNC
    https://youtu.be/6Rm1B6Kq13U?t=55

    Trump just featured the event in a major campaign ad.
    This propaganda campaign is disgusting; they are trying to tell people patriotism is the defense of the foreign nation of israel-a nation that spits on America.

    Do not counter protest against the Palestinians; counter protesters at these events are right wing useful idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkm5 View Post
    Never forget what they did to us.

    While they locked the elderly in nursing homes and hospitals, refusing to allow family and friends to visit, they called us grandma killers for not masking or taking the shot.

    Also, Big Gretch's forehead is looking shinier than usual, reminds me of the Terminator's face after getting burned up.

    Oh yeah, FAS and FGW too.

    https://youtu.be/hBlMzlp_ZgI?si=6gUhYrVtQ3ereyaB
    Someone has to ask, FAS I know, but what is FGW? I'm assuming Fetal something? maybe "Fatally Gretchen Whitmer" as in I'm sorry you have a fatal case of being Gretchen Whitmer. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subby View Post
    Someone has to ask, FAS I know, but what is FGW? I'm assuming Fetal something? maybe "Fatally Gretchen Whitmer" as in I'm sorry you have a fatal case of being Gretchen Whitmer. "
    It's like FJB, but for Big Gretch.

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    Well, this was weird; not sure what's going on here:

    https://youtu.be/UhE7D372c4Y?si=gO3qHctauKDkukxI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yngvi View Post
    I believe your efforts will be best spent elsewhere; training is not going to fix the problem in any amount.
    A bad cop with training is still a bad cop.

    Who decides on the definition of "acting aggressively" or when it is enforced?
    The procedures will soon be selectively applied to target good officers for political purposes while letting bad officers off the hook.

    The officer who assaulted that teenage girl and violated her 4th amendment rights deserves a minimum of 10 years in jail; a civil suit is not enough.
    There are things within my control, but that list is incredibly short. My efforts to establish and build a training program at my agency aren't new, completely my own, or geared just at doing the work of Internal Affairs. There's positive benefit in many other areas.

    I think you may have misunderstood what I meant by acting aggressively. I mean agencies need to be proactive with their officers. Mostly, that means training and correcting issues that can be, but by having that sort of continuing contact with each officer it identifies which you need to fire. Hopefully, before they do something worth firing them over. Conversely, it provides the sort of environment where officers are treated like adults instead of children. Where honest mistakes don't see you burned at the stake, and when someone is let go it doesn't erode officer-agency trust and morale.

    Quote Originally Posted by mkm5 View Post
    David, what are your thoughts on qualified immunity? It seems if the only consequence for a bad apple is getting reassigned or transfered that doesn't really address the underlying issue.

    I think Yngvi is spot on regarding good cops leaving the force for less shitty jurisdictions, leaving behind the bad apples. Politics probably plays a role as well.

    We don't have a local police force here; the county Sheriff's department handles the calls. They don't typically target citizens with speed traps or other fishing expeditions. Maybe because the sheriff is actually elected that makes a difference? There's almost no crime here anyway, so that might be a factor too.

    Thanks in advance for your thoughts on the subject.

    Mike
    Qualified immunity doesn't protect someone who's violated the law, constitutional or otherwise. Officers should be afforded the same rights such as due process, but if found guilty can face the same civil suits. It's no different than presidential immunity. They must be impeached before they can be indicted. I don't speak for all officers, but I think the vast majority of "good cops" want to see the "bad ones" both afforded the same due process... and then nailed to the wall if found guilty.

    In my experience in my state and area, civil suits are more likely to provide adequate financial compensation than restitution ordered from a criminal trial. The burden of proof is also different, and agencies and governments can be sued.

    Getting rid of qualified immunity doesn't fix bad cops. It just means all officers would be subject to any civil suit, no matter how frivolous, for doing their jobs. If you want to run off more good officers and bog local governments down in costly legal fees, then that would be a good way to do it.

    The idea that sheriffs are elected fixes issues with policing is absurd to me. The office offers them immunity from some things (like enforcing mask mandates or unconstitutional laws), but it also makes them politicians subject to the same things every other politician is. There are also "chief deputies" directly under them. End state, it works out about the same as a mayor and police chief. Most of the time, sheriffs aren't required to be certified law enforcement.

    I've seen agencies at all levels with all manner of policies on ticket/contact quotas, drug interdiction, Terry stops, etc. It varies state to state and regionally. Agency to agency.

    I personally make a lot of stops and write very few tickets. When I do, I usually cite them for only one or maybe two things. I'm not trying to get money, and the things I always cite for are usually no insurance, passing a school bus, etc. because I have to deal with the aftermath of those (and so do the people who live here).

    It's more important to me that people see that enforcement, slow down a little and pay attention. General visible enforcement of traffic shows a general reduction in accidents. No one knows that I didn't cite them. For things like tail lights, I usually stop them just to let them know so that they don't get a ticket on the highway/interstate.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Here's another one: South Carolinian Faced 115 Years in Prison Until ATF Admitted They Got the Wrong Man - The Truth About Guns

    These guys are some crackerjack motherfuckers, right here. But the guy was black, so they have that going for them.
    I actually went to the academy with another veteran who was arrested by a U.S. Marshal after being wrongly identified while he was active duty. By the time it went above that agent, he had already sat in prison for several months and been dishonorably discharged.

    Long story short, after he won his suit he owns a nice lake home with no mortgage so his wife can afford to stay home and homeschool his kids, and he had his military discharge amended to honorable. I hope this guy also gets a similar outcome. It's nice to see the limitless federal budget go towards compensation when it's deserved.

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    German Politician Fined $6K For Pointing To Government’s Own Stats On Rapes By Migrants

    Weird tangent on this story, but apparently the one on the left is "Miss Germany 2024":

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkm5 View Post
    Well, this was weird; not sure what's going on here:

    https://youtu.be/UhE7D372c4Y?si=gO3qHctauKDkukxI
    Kristi Noem's Ron Desantis moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkm5 View Post
    Well, this was weird; not sure what's going on here:

    https://youtu.be/UhE7D372c4Y?si=gO3qHctauKDkukxI
    Styx had a good take on this. She's obviously using the having to shoot a Dog as something the media will latch on to as an element of non city life as horrific to city dwellers but normal to everyone else. Personally I think she should have used a story of butchering a chicken for meat rather than shooting a Dog. But she also doesn't have the charisma to pull it off so it'll sink her career and I guess VP aspirations.

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