Originally Posted by
Matt Jackson
No offense taken. Your arguments are always in good faith. Purity spiralling isn't the reason the right-wing is losing - it's because White people are, still, morally squeamish.
The question really is: can the American system be reformed? If the system can be reformed, then voting matters. If the system needs to go away, with the implication of a radical, revolutionary sweeping-away of the old system, then you are only giving legitimacy to this system of laundered oligarchy when you engage with electoral politics.
Electoral politics is not real.
Trump is not anti-system. He wasn't in 2016, and he isn't today.
Meloni was portrayed as "far-right" successor to Il Duce because the system sensed the mood, and harnessed this energy. She has secured more EU funding than anyone before her, and without it the Italian political system would implode. She has done this by complying with the system, and in return for all the Euro's, she has approved absolutely huge amounts of non-EU immigrants.
Then there's the last 12 years of the British Conservative government.
How can you tell these politicians are on board, and in lock-step with the system? Because they are up for election.
The voting still reflects the mood and attitude of what's going on. That is useful. It drives the conversation forward. True.
To put it bluntly - how much change did 4 years of a Trump presidency bring about in 2016? Not much, if any. The economy moved a little in one direction, or another. The same applied to immigration figures. Trump is someone who has a lot of loud opinions about things, but he doesn't (as most voters themselves do not) have a real coherent vision or world-view of the kind of country he wants.
The fundamental, prevailing ideology in conservative American politics isn't just confused, it is non-existant. While the American mainstream political parties more or less accept this trajectory of the postwar order of the last 70+ years, it's not going to change anything by voting for them.
In the American context, don't think about what's happening in November - think about 5 years from now. Trump and Biden will be things of the past. "What's the future of heritage / White America?" The framing of this question is important, because most Americans don't think in those terms. They believe, somehow, they can have a future country they themselves want WITHOUT thinking in racial terms. That's a mistake. It's not true. They still persist and try to hold on to this fantasy.
Unless the outlook and the vision is in identitarian/racial/ethnic terms, then all the rest isn't going to matter. In the next 4+ years, as America breaks down internally and its place in the world appears less legitimate (see foreign policy), this idea will become more apparent at home. Voting for Trump or whoever, however, will not positively change your legal or illegal illmigration numbers in any meaningful way, and it will not increase the total fertility rate of Americans who look, think and behave as you do.